Photo: NTSB. The "issues" she speaks of was that she lied about hours and qualifications and it went beyond that but I can't remember the specifics. Interestingly (unless I'm missing something) the CVR transcript still hasn't been released. Ive seen interview flights of no more than 20 minutes lead to absolutely invaluable insight. The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway, he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. So we fired him. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed at the airfield, with low ceilings, fog, and blowing snow. The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. [1]:7[6] The airport was closed in reaction to the accident. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. Privacy Policy. The accident took place on a snowy day in 2019 at Presque Isle International Airport. This isnt surprising to me at all. The broadcast contained a halftime report of game 6 of an NBA playoff series between Golden State and Memphis. At 11:01EST, Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center cleared the aircraft to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle, and the pilots initiated an instrument landing system (ILS) approach. Biggest teller? The runway had been plowed about ten minutes earlier. So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? This information is not presented as the Flight Safety Foundation or the Aviation Safety Networks opinion as to the cause of the accident. Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? 28 pax/3 crew. The airplane was substantially damaged. He had not gone to sleep until around 1:00 EST the night before the accident due to flight and shuttle delays during the preceding workday, and he had only slept until 6:00 EST, about five hours, whereas he usually slept for about eight hours. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be, The first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias, and. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . CommutAir/United Express #UA4933 from Newark landed in Presque Isle and left the runway to the right. To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call: I've removed the link to Delta Air Lines Flight 1086 because, although it also involves snow and poor visibility, that accident was fundamentally caused by the aircrew's failure to maintain control after the aircraft touched down on the correct runway. What a douche. I have to wonder if I could have been honest, if that copilot and passenger would be alive today. The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. However, none of the pilots reported the issues. Photo: NTSB. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. Adopted: March . Fleet type match . Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. FAA guidance before the accident did not specifically address snow depth around a localizer antenna; after the accident, the guidance was revised to state that localizer alignment should be checked if snow accumulated to a depth exceeding 2ft (0.61m)[1]:4, The NTSB found that at least six CommutAir pilots had noticed the localizer misalignment within the preceding five days before the accident but none had filed a company aviation safety action program (ASAP) report; however, four of them filed ASAP reports after the accident. Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices are also available in csv format (Microsoft Excel) for downloading and use in databases or spreadsheets. Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. Contributing to the accident were: Additionally, the report states that FAA provides guidance to airports for developing a snow and ice control plan. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. The captain told the first officer that she could see the runway lights but "it's really white down there thats the problem." This website uses cookies for user interface, tracking performance and optimized ads. When the airplane was below 100 feet above ground level, the captain and the first officer expressed confusion stating they didnt know what they were seeing. The pilot flying was a man. Also big Yikes. Accident Number: ENG15IA024 Operator/Flight Number: United Express flight 4776 (operated by CommutAir) Aircraft and Registration: Bombardier DHC-8-202, N363PH . The airplane was substantially damaged. That final report has been out for months. What do you think about this accident? United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. There were three minor injuries. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. The NTSB concluded that the probable cause of the accident was confirmation bias which prompted the crew to continue descending even though they had not positively identified the runway. See this is my problem with the industry. [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. Occhione v. PSA Airlines, Inc., Case No. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation professionals. [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. The NTSB released their findings in July of 2022. This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. The plane will remain in place until the FAA arrives to assess the situation. Even when it's non-functional, they still write a report on it. We'll check the IP address and possibly reenable access. NTSB database search results for Presque Isle, Maine. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified.. This isn't surprising to me at all. 2017. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. His degree in journalism allows him to form beautifully crafted and insightful pieces. United/CommutAir 4933 had departed from Newark, New Jersey, and was scheduled to land at Presque Isle at 10:49 a.m., but instead arrived about 45 minutes behind schedule. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. Cass did say to me she will be OK when she sees Keegan, Rick Daigle said. I would prefer to add accidents in circumstances similar to this one: botched instrument approaches resulting in the aircraft touching down somewhere other than the intended landing runway. I remember her from when I got hired at VX. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! Anyone got any suggestions? Let us know in the comments below. Lets investigate further. We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. The captain responded that she saw the lights but that it was also really white at PQI. The carrier that won the hunger games contract wars of 2020. The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." Operating Certificate(s) Held: Flag carrier (121), Operator Does Business As: United Express. The NTSB's conclusion led to other questions namely whether the plane was too old and worn out. Accident. The NTSBs final report provides no new recommendations, but notes that CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. One landing gear sheered off and wedged between fuselage & left engine.N14171 Embraer ERJ-145 pic.twitter.com/Vg07liGiDU. The pilots attempted to land again in a second attempt. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. PRIA is worthless when airlines just let it slide with a good Cage Consulting spit shine. I am so curious to know why it took so long for really anything to be released about this accident. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. She has a 777 type now so she doesnt work for commutair. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. The line is connecting ADS-B datapoints from FlightAware. There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. United/CommutAir flight 4933, a 50-seat Embraer EMB-145XR operating as United Express, was scheduled to arrive at PQI on March 4 at 10:49 a.m., according to FlightAware, but instead landed at about 11:30 a.m., and wasn't officially confirmed as having "arrived" at the airport's terminal until 12:30 p.m. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. This isnt just a regional problem. The multiple interview references to the CA's training history and reputation are also quite interesting. [2] It came to rest with the left main landing gear assembly sheared off and wedged between the rear fuselage and the left engine. Commutair. I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. Last Update: Saturday, Mar 4th 2023 20:54Z. She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Cookie Notice NTSB/AAR-17-01 - Aircraft Accident Report: Loss of Control at Takeoff Air Methods Corporation Airbus Helicopters AS350 B3e, N390LG ; Frisco, CO; July 3, 2015. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine A United Airlines flight from Newark to Presque Isle landed roughly on its second approach and then slid off the runway Monday as passengers screamed and some seat parts popped off, according to one occupant. "Landed and slid to the right of the runway" and "landed on Runway 1 and then veered off" were respective initial statements from CommutAir and the FAA, both of which contradict the findings. American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC), CommutAir Flight 4933 United Express Flight 4933 Per WP:COMMONNAME, crashes of regional jets operated by contractors under a major airline's regional brand name should use the brand name for easy identification by members of the general public, who are typically unfamiliar with contractors such as CommutAir (not to mention Envoy, Endeavor, Republic, Jazz Aviation, etc.). Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. But could have also been Line Oriented Flight Training. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. Its like we didnt learn from Colgan, except to keep the 1500 hr (which I dont think would have stopped the crash, but different topic for different day). Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. And for such a serious incident too, anything involving airlines usually takes 2 years. But of course, you can also have all news mailed right onto your desktop, too. Just because you are a pilot doesn't mean you are a good pilot and belong in a high performance part 121 aircraft! The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine it missed the runway altogether. FO had sleep apnea and did not use the CPAP machine the night before, where he only got about ~ 5 hrs sleep. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Daigle said the plane then bounced four or five times before coming to a stop at a location far from the runway. Moreover, prior to the second landing, the pilots discontinued the ILS approach after they had misidentified the runway. After the go-around the first officer asked the captain if she saw the lights on the runway. Categories . Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. The first officer was the pilot flying and the captain was the pilot monitoring. Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. If you have to use the proxy of your company, contact us. They have no business being in these cockpits. What should the crew have done to avoid the runway excursion and hard landing? The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. [1]:4 Airport maintenance staff did not have the means to measure localizer alignment directly. Do you think the history of the CA here will have any impact on contributing factors to future hiring practices? 6.2 Let CommutAir 4933; This report explains the accident involving Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 529, an EMB-120RT airplane, which experienced the loss of a propeller blade and crashed during an emergency landing near Carrollton, Georgia, on August 21, 1995. . The final straw was flying in IMC into a bay surrounded by mountains to eht to a local village (Alaska) the villagers complained loudly. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Investigation Report. Why was previously published brief by the NTSB completely scrubbed from their website? Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? Contributing to the accident was also the first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias and the failure of at least six pilots who had observed the localizer misalignment to report it to the company and air traffic before the accident. [1]:5. The failed landing was the second attempt to land. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. The airplane was substantially damaged. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. Based in Mexico City, Mexico. A Commutair Embraer ERJ-145 on behalf of United, registration N14171 performing flight CS-4933/UA-4933 from Newark,NJ to Presque Isle,ME (USA) with Jul 8, 2022 . If he cant tell were the runway is what other skills is he lacking???? Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway.