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@geistalt: Talent? It appeared that Darth Maul had the upper hand, but before he … Vader is too slow and sluggish. At least he chose better in the end. Seriously.... @wollfmyth209: How could Vader be less powerful the Anakin? So I may or may not respond to your next counter. And my point isn't Anakin's potential being greater in the slightest. At least he chose better in the end. The original trilogy told the story of Luke Skywalker’s quest to defeat Darth Vader, only to discover along the way that Vader is his corrupted father, Anakin. His potential was limited because of what happened on Mustafar but his actual power shouldn't be diminished when becoming Vader (Suit). I can perfectly understand that because he lost a good deal of his potential his growth in the Force would be slowed down and he wouldn't even come close to his normal potential. Comic Vine; Forums; Battles; Darth Vader vs MCU Thor ... Wiki Points. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Thor Odinson Anakin Skywalker. NO. Drags Jedi temples librarian, ready to fight, into his Saber. Mace or Yoda can match Anakin and hold him off while the other beats Dooku, and Grievous eventually beats Maul or dies. Vader of course! Post all you want; it's just lately I narrowed down the people I'd be running in a loop with, and people I could actually have a proper debate with. Skywalker saga In Legends, Anakin was more powerful. Here many said Vader used TK to shield from the blast and collapse. Said raw power is always there, it just takes time, practice and experience to tap into it. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. Dueling wise he incoperated all 7 forms. I'll concede on the quote for now. His first step is to obtain a crimson lightsaber, the signature weapon of the Sith. @wollfmyth209: How do you define "Force reserves" then? Round 2: Force. You can't possibly expect me to agree on your or any other debater's opinions every single time, that is just ludicrous. Where is that shown again? Nonetheless I think it's perfectly possible Anakin could be superior to Legends Vader (at least) but the gap isn't big to be honest. Star Wars comic, Darth Vader No. Rips in half a giant spider Droid the size of a tank. Anakin Skywalker's massacre of a Tusken Raider clan in Attack of the Clones foreshadowed his eventual descent to the Dark side, but it also made the Star Wars antagonist feared among the species. It's why Vader lost to Luke. Using the Star Wars Wiki for appearances. The Darth Vader of the movies started a fearsome legend, while the other medias worked to build upon it. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. And the circumstances either balance out, or were against Luke. The best TK feats Vader does has is in Legends feats. That's why Sidious wanted him and not the crippled Vader that was left. @wollfmyth209 What am I supposed to do then? He should stomp honestly. I'd love to see some high tier Anakin force feats though the ones I've seen have always been lacking. I guess it's supposed to be some sort of symbolic memory where Darth Vader consumed Anakin Skywalker. You're assuming 19 BBY Vader and 19 BBY Anakin have the same baseline power, which by all means is ridiculous. Anakin High Ends all beat out Vaders high ends by miles when Anakin taps his potential. My point is his Force reserves, innate talent and overall raw power are simply portrayed as superior. @wollfmyth209: That is when Vader turns back to th Light and became Anakin again... @sirfizzwhizz: I'd say Vader's feats are typically better except in the rare times Anakin achieves oneness. Vader is stronger and tougher. Skill? From what I recall, Midi-chlorians are distributed evenly across cells. Force crushes weapons, objects, and throws around foes. In the end there is no showing of a force barrier, and not a TK feat. His wisdom, experience and knowledge certainly grew, but he's logically the inferior Force user[in terms of sheer magnitude], duelist and overall fighter. Show me Vader achieving Oneness just once. *Sigh* You also seem to be one of the more persistant debaters I've come across :/. These two are Vader's best quantifiable TK feats, and thats it. The comic series takes place after the events of The Empire Strikes Back. In-canon, Vader reflects on himself being superior in comparison to Anakin, and seems to be written that way, but it's not yet a set-in-stone fact. The mystery of Anakin’s father has finally been revealed. Anakin. Yes. If they're both bloodlusted, I'd favor Darth Vader. One could argue that Vader target weak spots, or simply targeted the roof to cave in. Oh that's not what I'm saying. So... which one do we go by? In Canon, it's stated Anakin had actually become more powerful after becoming Darth Vader (I suppose this is because the lost potential thing is no longer canon, as it was GL's statement/understanding, and not actually established in the films). If you are referring to the loss of raw power/potential, I am sure you are aware that Anakin never reached even remotely close to his full potential, by ROTS, and consequently, his raw power is nowhere close to what it could have been. Both are bloodlusted Win by any means ... Darth Vader … The fact that Luke Skywalker -- someone with less potential, and exponentionally less training than Anakin -- has managed to tap into his raw Force reserves enough to challenge and impress Vader, would be proof of this. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Lukes innate skill and potential for dueling overcame the experience and cybernetic limited Vader as well. Plus Anakin is Vader, so Vader literally knows everything about him, the only thing Anakin has more than Vader is agility. And Vader didn't just lose limbs; he got almost his entire body completely burned. Nevertheless, even if we go by feats, he is clearly superior to Anakin, and a large number of these feats are decades before said prime of Vader. Not sure what the point here is. Wiz: Getting a red Lightsaber for being evil, Vader was a very powerful Sith lord and had killed Luke's mentor Ben Kenobi during the fourth movie. Canon and legends feats and accolades may be applied, @wollfmyth209@shootingnova@silver2467@darkdefender@zapan871@sirfizzwhizz@jedixman@dadivineking, So zen mode Anakin? His far greater Force reserves directly correlate to him having superior innate talent, physical augmentation and -- through that, by extention -- skill. From – Star Wars: Darth Vader #24 Vader is the definite superior in the force, and wins round 2. Show me Vader subduing via TK beings like the Son and Daughter, Anakin has. @darthduelist9: Well it's rather simple: Vader didn't just lose his potential, he lost a good chunk(over half) of his midi-chlorians. He is faster, stronger, and more agile. Vader was in the presence of Palpatine -- a confirmed DS nexus -- who was filling him with dark power at the time. Easy 200+ tons feat considering the weight of marble or granite statues. Vader also by feats never fought the quality opponents his younger Anakin self has. Now in the dueling area Anakin wins handily. You can't possibly expect me to agree on your or any other debater's opinions every single time, that is just ludicrous. Even Vader couldn't overwhelm Dooku near as quickly as Annie did. I done this many time in several Anakin vs Vader threads. An episode of Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 3 has Anakin Skywalker turning to the dark side a year before becoming the Sith Lord Darth Vader in Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith, and shows just why Mustafar was so important to his transformation.While Anakin becomes a Jedi again by the end of the episode, the circumstances of his brief fall from grace speak to the reasons … Vader all rounds. @wollfmyth209: Power? Legends has Anakin being the stronger of the two, whilst in Canon, Vader's unquestionably written to be Anakin's superior. The only issue is Anakin has to be in the zone, and tap his potential, but bloodlusted and not in character, he can tap that potential again. @geistalt: @wollfmyth209: what wolf said. All out: Vader for the majority, though every fight will be properly challenging. Except unlike Luke, Anakin had far greater knowledge and experience as well TK feats. @sirfizzwhizz: Vader lost to Luke because he was conflicted and Luke got rage amped. Anakin is Vader but younger, less experienced, less powerful and less skilled. My point isn't that it's a loss or a win for Vader, but that if someone with far less training and potential than Anakin could use his innate talent to challenge Vader on even footing, then Anakin should perform much better. @americanspeeddemon: That was Vader's personal thoughts, much like him saying: "Anakin was weak so I destroyed him". Anakin tends to be sloppy when he's too angry. @sirfizzwhizz: Actually... Vader entered Oneness when he killed Palpatine because plot and prophecy. @wollfmyth209: Canonwise Vader has a stronger connection to the force than a base Anakin. the other feat is still a 100 toner feat area, and still only found in a game that writers/makers states was exaggerated on purpose anyway! Feats-only is a rather poor way to judge things. 25 has decided to show us how Anakin came to be. Anakin did so twice. I even debunk already several times some of Vaders BEST TK feats. Boomstick: After the transformation was complete, Anakin was Anakin no more. We haven't even come to feats as of yet, as far as the force is concerned. @shootingnova: Nope. Vader is also hindered by his cybernetics, and this is stated in Canon and Legends. Skill? (41BBY - 4ABY) (45 Years Old) This page is a chronological list of all his confirmed kills in Canon in all forms of official media. @wollfmyth209 Actually even in Legends( GL canon), Vader is said to be more powerful than he ever was, in the ROTJ novel. Yes. Pulls down a large Temple Statue, catching a heavy chunk of it to throw at a nearby door. Reviews: 0. Retellings and media that does not further Anakin's story will not be counted. He welcomed it. "Vader completed his meditation and opened his eyes. And all this is obviously as far as we are using normal Anakin only, not his "Zonakin" self. Force reserves would be the innate raw power a Force user has. Honestly could have been as easy as Vader finding cover, and the suit/armor itself tanking much of the falling debris as the blast was nothing shock wave wise to write home about lol. Luke inherited Anakins skill and talent with a saber. 10 Vader Vs. Ahsoka Spotted by Screen Rant, the comic reveals that Emperor Palpatine aka Darth Sidious personally made sure that Shmi Skywalker would get pregnant with Anakin via the manipulation of … Someone requested that I do a comparison between Anakin and Vader in Star Wars Battlefront II to see if there are any similarities in their move sets. Anakin wins the dueling round, though far from easily. Nothing really superior. Anakin was problably going to edge Vader out in a direct duel in the Legends continuity while in Canon Vader seems the overal better fighter. Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker appears in seven of the live-action Star Wars films, the animated series The Clone Wars (including the film), Rebels, and the micro-series Clone Wars and Forces of Destiny. Anakin was simply the better. @lordofthelight: I think Wollf was referring to Anakin's ability to tap into his "Force reserves" that apparently leads to quick learning, full potential (briefly)... And turning into Zonanakin. So yes, if this was force only, and we exclude Anakin's high end feats, Vader wins. That logic would only apply if Anakin's 20k+ midi-chlorians were evenly distributed in his body, or if he lost a piece of every single cell, but that's not the case. Anakin Skywalker, also known as Darth Vader, is a major character in Star Wars Canon. Anakin Skywalker was trapped in a similar paradox, trying to be good even though he was destined to become Darth Vader. Even then I can dismiss the first feat with the "cathedral' as all cathedrals have specific weak points from engineering design due to the nature and stylistic effects of said cathedrals. Throws back a large stone column, easily 30 tons area, and then blows Ventress through a very thick stone wall. Not to mention the loss of force potential is a lost of skill as well. However, in canon, it looks like it's shaping up to have Vader superior to Anakin in a clear cut fashion. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Attack of the Clones sees Skywalker and Padme Amidala travel … @kbroskywalker: Yep. Yes, Vader was obviously a shell of his former self after being burnt, but that doesn't mean he couldn't compensate for it with 19 years of constant dark side training, experience, and an obvious increase in raw power, exacerbated due to the use of the dark side. Suffering had birthed insight.". Definitely Anakin. Debunk. Ahsoka Tano's Star Wars Rebels duel with Darth Vader is imagined in a live-action setting in a new fan-poster. Anakin believes that only he can rule the galaxy, and decides to confront The Emperor. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger. @lordofthelight: What am I supposed to do then? Only for the fact that he has great knowledge of young Anakin's fighting style. Someone requested that I do a comparison between Anakin and Vader in Star Wars Battlefront II to see if there are any similarities in their move sets. Sure, there was a whole trilogy devoted to how he turned to the Dark Side, but Anakin was … @wollfmyth209: Seems logical. Rules. Vaders best feats are either slightly better, or on par. Round 3: All out. Some of Vader's biggest and most intense moments take place in the books, comics, and TV shows that make up the rich galaxy of Star Wars. Anakin at his best became one with the force twice, and overpowered Son and Daughter when tapping potential. Anakin moving over 100+ tons of Separatist Dreadnought ship into a path of missiles. After the events of Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, Darth Vader is thrust into his Sith training. But what do I know I'm more of a canon expert anyways. And all this is obviously as far as we are using normal Anakin only, not his "Zonakin" self. Anakin may have had the potential to be more skilled but skill wise Vader has better showings. People need to deal with it. @kbroskywalker: I have no idea why you spam me with irrelevant junk, despite me already noting I will never respond because you're thick-headed, persistent, and your arguments are... well ComicVine mods will ban me if I use that word. Several sources state how Vader cannot be the best at Form V anymore unlike his younger self. Legends has Anakin being the stronger of the two. Legends is definitely Anakin at least in the force and has been noted on multiple occasions Iirc. Does Anakin at his best beat Vader via force? Anakin also beats Vader in sabers, that much is true. Logically, this means his Force reserves simply are not what they used to be; something backed up by Vader, Palpatine and several other sources. Vader was once the esteemed Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, whose unparalleled midichlorian count labeled him as the Chosen One destined to bring balance to the Force. Palpatine also appears frequently in the comic book series Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith (2017–2018), written by Kieron Gillen and Charles Soule. In Legends it was pretty obvious that he didn't like his new suit and anything that came with it so he would logically look at his former self as being "better". In a duel, Vader's only edges would be knowledge on Anakin's form, which Kenobi and Dooku both had and it still didn't save them, and technical skill, which as Anakin demonstrates: isn't a problem for him. Marvel's Darth Vader comics are finally letting the Sith Lord grieve Despite Darth Vader 's status as one of the biggest villains in pop culture, we don't really know a lot about him. But what I said earlier was, it's kinda difficult to reconcile Legends and Canon accolades. Followers. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. So to recap, Vader in a time frame for several characters to talk a conversation and figurte a way out of the TK , failed to do damage in any significant way to said AT AT with TK. On the ocean bottom of Calamar with massive sea pressure, uses his TK to warp and snap the steel binders that held a super large building in place. Prime Darth Vader (Return of the Jedi) vs . Kang and Darth Vader both wield incredible power, though only one could win their fight. That Vader had actually another two decades to grow in Force power should put him noticeably ahead of Anakin as a Force user. He stared at his reflection a long time. Holistic intent can play a role in the overall scheme of things, as can statements, implications and other such facts as long as they keep true and consistent with the theme of the lore. User Lists: 0 #1 CocaColaMan. Actually even in Legends( GL canon), Vader is said to be more powerful than he ever was, in the ROTJ novel. Darth Vader's life support system was disabled by Cylo IV and all of this happened inside his head. One of the three powerful members of the Sith Triumvirate, Darth Nihilus … He now was Darth Vader! #1 Edited By PerfectNazo Dark side Anakin from episode 3 against Darth Sidious from episode 3. “Darth Vader, the most powerful Sith Lord in the Galaxy” Here it is.Comparing: walk animation, run animation, force jump, force dash, saber block, saber strike, ability 1, ability 2, ability 3, game play.Legendary Patreons:Mikyle MeyerIf you enjoy my content and want to support the channel, please consider donating through patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/CinematicapturesMusic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYQKhao9L4 @wollfmyth209: Isn't there a set amount of midi-chlorians per cell? Either way, Maul vs Yoda or Mace will end faster than KFV vs … Obviously this didn't actually happen. The only argument AGAINST Anakin is determining what feats are context base and which are not. Yeah, you can't reconcile the two versions. Read the facts. Experience? Team 2. Boomstick: Darth Vader's weapon of choice is his Lightsaber, which he is very skilled with. But the truth is, when we see Anakin actually go all-out, he's rather powerful; exercising superiority over Dooku, utterly collapsing 30x90 meter domes, crushing massive spider-droids then knocking down and hurling a massive pillar, and moving CIS dreadnaughts as a padawan are all feats that come to mind. Even without potential arguments, Anakin's force feats and accolades is more than enough to keep from being overpowered by Vader. He not only had the advantage of being fully trained in the ways of the Jedi, but also was being trained in the ways of the dark side, which increases one's power drastically, at a far higher rate than normal. Regarding the fight, what reasons do you have for Anakin being more powerful than Vader, other than the fact that Vader lost a chunk of his flesh? Once Skywalker became Darth Vader he would be worshipped by the species, despite the Sith Lord's disdain for the Tusken Raiders.. So how could losing a limb affect Force ability, then? 0. Not to mention Vader is tactically ahead. Greater force potential led to greater skill and learning. Thus the re tolled style. Ok, so this is pretty obvious but I … Speed wise he's matched very fast opponents such as Rotj Luke, and ahsoka. That... also doesn't counter my argument. Darth Vader is easily the most iconic Star Wars villain of all time - but just how powerful is the Dark Lord of the Sith? To come back to the Midichlorian stuff, I guess it's the most acceptable theory that the number of cells (volume) matters and not just the concentration on itself but there are quit a bit examples which go against that to be honest. That said Anakin wins handily every round. Too bad Vader is stated to be in prime during Rebels, and not ROTJ. Since Rosario Dawson's debut as former Jedi Togruta in The Mandalorian season 2, interest in the character has been at an all-time high with her history in the franchise now being revisited by long-time fans and learned by new ones. 2 Can't Beat: Darth Nihilus. Beats Vader by miles! The first two trilogies in the mainline Star Wars saga — the ones that came from the mind of series creator George Lucas — each revolved around a key figure in the Skywalker bloodline. Oh thats right, its not. So that been debunk. Anakin was always the superior being. Revisiting the events of his life during a walk through the Force, Vader sees a vision of his mother being overshadowed by Emperor Palpatine, clearly manipulating the life in her womb. @wollfmyth209: potential wise maybe, but looking at both legends and canon, Vader uses the force and save for a couple of outliers(mortis for example) Vader has better showings. Vader's feats are better, but he's also much, much more explored in his Sith days than Jedi days -- which is understandable as people like Vader as a Sith more than as a Jedi; I blame Hayden Christinsen getting poor direction from Lucas for that, but whatever. The idea was revisited in Charles Soule's Darth Vader comics, which appeared to show, yet again, Palpatine creating Anakin Skywalker. At least, in Legends. So Canon source > out dated legends source. Vader, sure his potential was limited, but unlike Anakin, he had far more time to reach it. RELATED: Magneto Vs Darth Vader: Who Would Win? But honestly it's true that in legends it's pretty evident that whilst powerful, and superior in experience, technical skill, knowledge and precision as well as a tighter defense, Vader is unashamedly a shell of his former self and I can certainly see Anakin, with his superior speed, talent, reserves and unrelenting agression defeating his older self. (Image credit: Marvel Comics) Anakin Skywalker returns to Mustafar, the planet where his fateful duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi led to his transformation into Darth Vader – and … Also, if Luke could stalemate/match him, then it is a huge credit to him, not necessarily a loss to Vader, not to mention that it was a highly circumstantial fight in the first place. Darth Vader Killed Darth Maul's Clone. This is a typical building explodes and "insert character" survives the destruction somehow feat. The fact that it took Vader over 19 years to no longer be a "shadow of his former self", would suggest that he wouldn't have grown exponentionally enough in four years to suddenly go from being significantly inferior, to significantly superior. Though Anakin did suffer horrendous injuries resulting in physical incapacitation, the technology presented in this suit proves he may have been even more powerful than in his actual Darth Vader … Yeah, none of this even remotely begins to counter what I'm saying. Also Anakin is insane strong in legends by feats with plenty to match Vader. @shootingnova: legends anakin