Beyond that, Palpatine killed the other masters before Windu could react - Windu received a monumental amp which allowed him to stalemate Palpatine before leading him onto the ledge where Palpatine intentionally followed - having sensed Anakin's arrival prematurely. This was because Ahsoka wasn't Vader's mission, retrieving the holocron was. This motive would persist until he finally gets the Emperor's attention who would send his apprentice, Lord Vader to deal with yet another surviving Jedi. 2. Star Wars Battlefront 2 - … Destroying battle droids via TK isn't really going to make much of a difference here.... 2. He lost to Vastor, if I recall correctly. @shootingnova: Nice, never heard of those. Nuci . Are you sure that's a consistent feat? Go. Download 1360x768 Darth Vader vs Mace Windu Star Wars Desktop Laptop HD Wallpaper, Movies Wallpapers, Images, Photos and Background for Desktop Windows 10 MacOS, Apple Iphone and Android Mobile in HD and 4K Master Windu was also known within the Order for his unusual fighting style, one that he developed after studying the dueling styles of various lightsaber masters. I mean for goodness sake, this Luke couldn't even defend Palpatine's lightning. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective. Darth Sidious vs Mace Windu # Darth Sidious No, @LordTracer is right. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I don't see why Windu would really be superior in speed, and even if that was the case it would be so minimal it ends up being irrelevant. He dodged and weaved, attacking and retreating as Vader hit him with everything he had. Do EU fans not have a problem with how EU feats do not at all mesh with G canon? You didn't have any valid point to argue anyway lol. Ignoring that, I don't see how this is better than Vader blitzing somebody faster than a Jedi who has deflected numerous blaster bolts could react. 3. Mace paced through it all with relentless calm, his only expression a slight frown of concentration, his blades weaving an impenetrable web of lightning. One step at a time, to give the shooters time to adjust their aim, Mace leaned into the gale of blasterfire and started down the exposed slope below the door. I know that - I'm just saying that it should be consistent - since his consistent feats aren't on par with that. Windu has never demonstrated feats of this caliber. 3/4/2020. Is Dracula a force-sensitive? Vader also has limited mobility. Then he hit Vastor twice in the nose before the lor pelek could even blink. Emperor Trump VS Hilary [STAR WARS] Palpatine Darth Sidious vs Mace Windu PARODY + Anakin. That's about it. I can see Vader doing that, or better. 1 of 3 Go to page . I'll post a few Vader feats because I'm finally beginning to grow out of laziness. 5:45. He can be as callous and cold and brutal as any sith but still remains in the light. Darth Vader vs Mace Windu. One he's pretty much made to fight dracula/sideous their skills are perfect for fighting dracula/sideous, just because it's working especially well against the most stereotypical vampire/sith does not mean it's an amp, that's just his kit. Windu is the master of pretty much the strongest lightsaber form and he beat Palpatine with it, even before he beat Palpatine he was widely considered the best duelist and the second strongest force wielder on the council besides Yoda. 5. All are from Shatterpoint. Moving faster than the eye could follow, Vader's lightsaber blocked them all. 3/4. Don't doubt Nova, JediXMan, or silver, their word is LAW. Before Luke can join his father's side as a Sith Lord, Darth Vader must ensure no Jedi hermits remain. The Mandalorian; The Book of Boba Fett; Andor; Obi-Wan Kenobi; Rangers of the New Republic He fought Luke but that was only to test his son, he was never really trying to kill him. Windu wouldn't be defeating Dark Woman that easily - and I'm still a bit undecided on dueling for the most part. How The Empire LIED About Mace Windu(Canon) - Explain Star Wars. Mace is very reliant on Vaapad and without it he struggled against Asajj Ventress someone a padawan Anakin could beat. I'm being redirected to this thread from notifications I got two days ago. @shootingnova: There are no omniscient third-person narrator in Star Wars novels, as far as I know. In fact, I could say we are the onlooker in that passage with Windu and Vastor, since both are described in third-person. EU is an entirely different universe IMO and I'm pretty sure the creator of the series shares the same opinion. We'd be better off discussing Vader's strength advantage, which is much more noticeable than the speed difference, if any. @themagicstik: Because if Windu confronted Vader, it would be different. Live-action television series. General Discussion. Press J to jump to the feed. For starters, he has fought Dooku as an equal. Either way non amp Mace would get destroyed by Sideous. Ferus would probably have better speed/reaction feats than Vastor, but now I'm settling into the lazy mood and I don't want to fetch them right now. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. That said, I'm not fully sure the blurring trails feat was ever replicated. @nomar: Umm.. the novelization is G-canon, since Lucas personally edited it and accepts it as a supplement to the movies - he accepts the EU just fine but places his own creations/edits/approvals above the general continuity. And even hurt, lurching drunkenly, Vaster still could whip his arms in blindingly fast raking slaps at Mace's head and wounded neck. Download 540x960 Darth Vader vs Mace Windu Star Wars 540x960 Resolution Wallpaper, Movies Wallpapers, Images, Photos and Background for Desktop Windows 10 MacOS, Apple Iphone and Android Mobile in HD and 4K Star Wars Theory explains this in a way I see all too fitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiPbXQ1gDU&t=5s. Sounds pretty exciting to me! Durant sa carrière au sein de l'Ordre Jedi, il servit comme leader élu des Jedi et, durant la Guerre des Clones, en tant que Général Jedi au sein de la Grande Armée de la République. Faster than an eyeblink. He's more consistent showings involve lifting several trees and moving several boulders. @earthquake_2123: If you're not able to comprehend what an analogy is, I'm not going to argue with you. I tend to use that video for the sake of speed feats, not telekinetic feats because those TK feats are quite inconsistent with his other feats. 3/4/2020. Darth Vader is way too slow. His blades flashing in blinding whirls of jungle green and sundown purple, spraying a spiked fan of deflected bolts toward the smoke-shrouded stars, he drew their fire down, away from the bunker's door. I believe Windu's motivation would be to find Skywalker and end him for what he did. What does Dracula have to do with Star Wars. Beyond that - Windu was never the best duelist in the Order - many sources indicate Yoda was the greatest duelist in the Order: To the uninitiated, lightsaber combat can seem like a confusing blur of swipes and blade clashes, but on close examination, the secrets of the Jedi Knights become clear. Windu wins because he's more than halfway to being a sith himself but chooses the light. Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. When did this happen? Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. ―Mace Windu. Anyway, this is my idea (if it happened): If Windu was to survive, he would be a broken man and a combination of Maul (Rebels) and Saw Garrera (Rebels/Rogue One). best. Mace moves his lightsaber faster than thought. This thread is archived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon. Uh.... the onlooker was somebody with better reaction feats than Vastor..... No, I was referring to Vader generating afterimages in the ANH comic and the RotJ comic. I see no speed feat Mace has done that Vader couldn't replicate, or vise versa. Mace Windu, un humain sensible à la Force, était un Maître Jedi respecté et un membre du Haut Conseil Jedi durant les dernières années de la République Galactique. I fail to see how Windu's speed feats surpasses Vader's. Mace sparring with Dooku as an equal can be disputed since Dooku has better dueling feats overall (at least by his prime) and at least one source states Dooku could outduel Windu. ", "We have not seen Mace fight yet, and we know he's second only to Yoda. Even Malgus was able to fight six jedi simultaneously, because they were featless. Only then can we understand the extraordinary combat moves of Yoda, perhaps the greatest lightsaber master the Jedi Order has ever seen. Even when fighting Ahsoka, he wasn't trying to necessarily kill her, just get her out of the way. Awesome Combat. Star Wars is an American epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the eponymous 1977 movie. Begin! Regarding Windu as the better duelist - what makes you think that? http://web.archive.org/web/20051125042817/http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/bts/production/news20000711b.html, "Mace Windu's fighting abilities are second only to Yoda. It would be a great fight that's for sure And I'd love to see a beat up, even tougher Windu. Force Powers are utilisable. Also Mace Windu wouldn't have left Vader to die, he would have put his light saber through Vaders head. Since his level of TK on a regular basis seems to be different. Vader would demolish Windu at his full potential of rage. 3:19. Mace fighting Sideous was as amped as a vampire hunter would be fighting Dracula. Windu has shown none of that. That was why he received such a monumental amp - because of the scale of Palpatine's actions. @intrepid37: Yeah, the notifications keep renewing the ones I already reviewed earlier. 51 Favourites. Vastor is still above Mace, and Vader is above Vastor. Download Darth Vader vs Mace Windu Star Wars Wallpaper, Movies Wallpapers, Images, Photos and Background for Desktop Windows 10 MacOS, Apple Iphone and Android Mobile in HD and 4K Don't see how this is remotely close considering Vader eventually surpasses Palpatine and Yoda whereas Mace Windu was always second to Yoda. Wacisoposa. Once Windu figures out who Vader is and mentions it, he's done. Windu felt that everything he had fought for - the Republic, his secret love for civilization, was shattered. Vastor threw the other even harder-which only made the inside of that arm connect that much harder with Mace's counter hook. Vader is close, but not quite as impressive. Vader from ‘Rogue One’, and Windu from ‘Revenge of the Sith’. Darth Vader vs Mace Windu. Windu's use of Vaapad meant that the more powerful a darkside user, the more power it gave him to use against them. Now, Maul is very close to Mace in skill, but still not quite as good. Creating blurring ''webs'' out of his lightsaber. I wouldn't either, since I gave Vader the win a few posts earlier. save hide report. Serious. Mace has sparred with Dooku as an equal, fought evenly with Sora Bulq, fought evenly with General Grievous, fought evenly with Saesee Tiin, was the second-best duelist in the Order in AotC, has beaten Ventress etc. That's impressive - although there's at least one source indicating Dooku could out-duel Windu. From his perspective, Vader did that without even moving. By: Ambidextrous Snake. deflecting blaster bolts. Mace is not the best duelist. Man...Thanks to countless looks at silver/nova in action i can already tell you that is all wrong. This is not a "who would win" thread, just an idea I'm pitching. It's really the same thing as comparing Stan Lee to TOAA, since they are meant to be one and the same. Still, at Jackson's request, Windu had an impactful death scene, having stood his ground against the Emperor in combat. "This is called Vaapad, Kar." Here are the excerpts I was talking about. @dccomicsrule2011: Honestly, I'm not gonna bother looking through Shatterpoint,but Mace has also deflected blaster bolts, fought faster than thought, fought invisibly fast, hit Vastor six times before he could blink while simultaneously creating afterimages, kept up with Depa while injured, creating enough blurring trails forming ''webs'', has created multiple blurring trails etc. @intrepid37: I personally don't see things that way. Vastor seemed to be getting stronger. As most of us know, Samuel L. Jackson insists Windu survived his battle with the Emperor in Revenge of the Sith and completely disregards any of the story executives' official statements. two speed feats are admittedly Impressive, however, the one regarding the blaster bolt deflection Is, Even Jedi padawans have little difficulty. Windu was 100% going to win on his own powers 1000% and Sideous did not have some master plan. Apr 10, 2012 - "For the Order and the Republic, I will give anything and everything, including my life." Must be referring to yourself. This isn't any regular piece from the EU, but a work that Lucas himself edited and approved of as a supplement to the films - hence it is G-Canon. though when you say "over half a dozen", you're attempting to exaggerate the feat a bit. Uhh.. considering Vader moved faster than everybody Ferus saw move (save for Yoda) - I could say that's quite fast. I think that's enough about that. Also, Mace's feat of looking to wield multiple lightsabers might technically be better than Vader's, since Vader did it to the vision of an onlooker, but Mace did it to the vision of Vastor, who possesses supernatural speed already, unlike me and you and everyone else who reads the comics. @intrepid37: Two feats Vader accomplished solely by virtue of his rage: Stones in the floor ripped out and were flung toward Ferus. Uhh.. For dueling, Vader is close but still behind. and a batallion of stormtroopers while negotiating with the rebels. Another roar from Vader. Also, Mace only beat Palpatine due to a massive amp under the circumstances of their duel. ", I just read that and honestly that is some blatent fanboyism, three things. The faint click of metallic weapons reached his ears. Especially when EU writers like to just make things up that are not supported by G canon. They had a brief skirmirsh in Son of Dathomir (canon comic). There's no reason to say Windu wins in the speed department. Regarding the speed feats - Vader has really done all of that (except of course for fighting Depa, since he never met her in combat). based on every character’s peak skills and not based who beaten who i would say it would tie between yoda and mace windu and maybe Obi wan in some cases. Windu kicked the emperors butt and would have killed him if Annakin hadn't screwed him over. @themagicstik: windu wins I just watched the clone wars a week ago. They both have the ability to out-duel one another. They had a brief skirmirsh in Son of Dathomir (canon comic). Two Sideous/Dracula are the strongest of the all the sith/vampires of course Windu is going to be fighting harder than he has in his life, still not an amp. Also lol @ whoever called Silver a fanboy. share. Not sure what's happening - you could report it to the bugs section if it hasn't been reported already. Vader is above a weaker Vastor who is only above a version of Mace who is vastly inferior to 22 bby Asajj Ventress. Anyway, these Jedi were featless. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiPbXQ1gDU&t=5s. Regardless, whether we agree or not with this doesn't matter too much. R1) They both have their lightsabers. Regarding Windu as the better duelist - what makes you think that? Anything that could be torn from the floor or walls came at him - conduits, debris, hunks of stone. Before Vastor could even focus his eyes, Mace had hit him six times: two thundering hooks to his short ribs, a knee slamming hard into the same thigh he'd hit before, an elbow snapping up to the point of his chin, and two devastating palm strikes to either hinge of his jaw. 3) If Vader stalemated grandmaster luke, I'd be impressed, but he simply stalemated a luke that wasn't fully trained. That said, you can never be too early with pre production. Vader would find Windu, they would have an impressive fight. In any case - even if you disregard the amp - it is still noted that the fight was an impasse. Vader is fast, but has been outsped by Starkiller and Maul, none of whom has speed feats of Mace's level. But where Vastor's speed was blinding, Mace's was invisible. Fang Titan. Sora Bulq really doesn't have the feats necessary to be Vader-level, so Windu dueling him as an equal doesn't really translate to dueling equally with Vader. Vader has moved his blade so fast it looked as if it was a "red haze" he has fought over half a dozen Jedi simountaniously. @shootingnova: I have an extremely hard time imagining Vader outpacing Vastor to the extent Vastor did. He sees it as an entirely different universe. @intrepid37: Vader has moved so fast he has seemed to teleport, Blitzed someone faster then a Jedi could react, deflected dozen blaster bolts when he was unexpecting it, he has deflected fire from an torrent emplacement. Strength: Vader (as Anakin) has struck with blows hard enough to crack stone beneath him and his opponent, ripped doors off metal doors, was unaffected by the weight of a dozen stormtroopers, crushed crystalline pillars, and so on. That's about it. Beyond that - the novel is actually G-Canon, not C-Canon. Nov 3, 2007 #1 Imagine that Obi-Wan was in Windu's position and by some twist of fate...defeated Sidious. This obviously just an idea and I'd like to know what you think about it, thanks for reading! I'll probably concede the point. but Mace has also deflected blaster bolts, fought faster than thought, fought invisibly fast, hit Vastor six times before he could blink while simultaneously creating afterimages, kept up with Depa while injured, creating enough blurring trails forming ''webs'', has created multiple blurring trails etc. Hitting Vastor six times before he could properly react. Star Wars: Clone Wars - Mace Windu vs Separatist Army. @dccomicsrule2011: For the speed issue, hitting Vastor so many times before the latter could properly percieve him is incredible since Vastor, as I recall, has also dodged bullets, creating blurring trails from his lightsaber, fought faster than thought, etc. Honestly, I'm not gonna bother looking through Shatterpoint. @shootingnova : Are you sure that's a consistent feat? Windu has generated afterimages and ran at blurring speeds - Vader has similarly killed beings faster than a Jedi could react: It happened before he could get out another word. I just think Mace has very slight advantages pertaining to speed and skill. Dark_Wing 1 y 8 mo 9 d . Again the two universes do not mesh well. 81% Upvoted. I'm a bit too tired after today. Why not? Ventress really isn't going to match Vader - either. 1. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. As most of us know, Samuel L. Jackson insists Windu survived his battle with the Emperor in Revenge of the Sith and completely disregards any of the story executives' official statements. As for dueling, Vader has stalemated Luke Skywalker, defeated an amped up clone of Darth Maul, defeated half a dozen Jedi, defeated Roan Shryne, defeated Jax Pavin, defeated Dark Woman; etc. Even then it is widly thought that Palpatine lost on purpose anyways. Agreed, except for the fact that you really did nothing in response to what I said about speed. Away from their own children. Faster than thought, Vader drew and ignited his lightsaber. 486 Views. Lego Star Wars Yoda Chronicles Yoda & Mace Windu vs Count Dooku & Jek-14. He fought Obi-wan but that was held back due to careful tactic until Kenobi sacrificed himself. That said, he has turned his blade into a shield and thrown his lightsaber around his body to form a shield, and deflected numerous blaster bolts at point-blank range. With a stooped, small appearance, Yoda may not look like a warrior, but his skills with a lightsaber were unequaled. Darth Vader is way too slow. When you are as close as these two are in the dueling department, there is no wrong answer. Obi-Wan, Darth Vader, Yoda, Darth Maul and Mace Windu (All Legends) vs Guiliman and Angron 6:22. By the way, the notifications are glitching extremely much right now. 1. Vastor's mighty arms spasmed and dropped limply to his sides. Energy beams rained down on the Dark Lord and his soldiers. Grievous had his mobility restricted to the point of immobility, while Mace really wasn't that restricted - and they still only fought as equals. Vastor fired another of those blinding slaps. @themagicstik: I'm not sure who you are referencing. Though it was true that he had slowed slightly in the years that Mace Windu had known him, Yoda's skill with a lightsaber was still second to none on the council. Darth Vader vs Mace Windu Thread starter Fang; Start date Nov 3, 2007; 1; 2; 3; Next. Mace's speed would be equivalent to Grievous's, so I do think he really isn't above Vader but it legitimately doesn't matter since any speed difference would be absolutely inconsequential. In canon, we've never seen Vader demonstrate his power that's meant to be comparable to the mythological monster, the Hydra. The reason I bring this fight up is to finally demonstrate Vader's real potential against a real threat. Also I see no reason why the "amp" mentioned in my first point would not work to a lesser degree on Vader who in any case is a lesser opponent than Palpatine, people like to forget Darth Vader was Dark Side for a long time before Luke came around. At least a dozen bolts streaked toward Vader himself. I have an extremely hard time imagining Vader outpacing Vastor to the extent Vastor did. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Good luck...you'll need it. I wouldn't say Windu's aptitude in saber combat would be above Vader to an extent sufficient enough to overcome Vader's TK and other abilities - including melting durasteel with his rage. 3. Mace Windu Windu > Sidious > Vader. Your analogy on Dracula also isn't the best. Not really a rebuttal - I'm just probably too lazy. Feat wise Yoda>>Windu in saber combat (also stated numerous times) and >>>>in force usage. Darth Vader vs Mace Windu. All we've ever seen Vader do is slaughter some rebels which was a piece of cake for him. Yoda is the master of all forms 1–7. adobe adventure artist colourful colours comics conceptart creative creativity deviantart digitalart fanart fandom future futuristic glow illustration inspiration lucasfilm meme memes neon pencil photography photoshop starwars themandalorian. So I'm not fully sure. Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. To understand the combat of these warriors, we must delve into the sacred history of the fabled Seven Forms of Jedi lightsaber combat and look at how these have played out in the Star Wars saga. Vader is good with force tho, but so is Windu. A blackened piece of furniture flew across the chamber and smashed into the wall above his head. @cortadew: I'll assume you don't agree with me, so perhaps I might be able to convince you to do so. Mace Windu will appear in Vader: A Star Wars Theory Fan Series. Also, Dooku is considered to be Mace's equal when it comes to Lightsaber skill. Since his level of TK on a regular basis seems to be different. When episode 7 comes and it ignores even more EU stuff people will just ignore that too. Windu has no combat feats to suggest he simply is "certainly" better as a duelist. The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Because movie vader sux and movie windu "beat" Palpatine. His demonstration of speed in Shatterpoint where he hits Vastor six times in an eyeblink while at the same time generating afterimages certainly suggests so. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Likely Vastor's "blurring speed" would be blurring to us, and I would hold the same value for Windu's. He's too good. Actually, his best feats is moving a tank off a cliff and obliterating battledroids with only a Force push. mace windu is much more knowledgeable, faster, and a better duelist too..... vader had more potential but mace is a beast. You're not disproving the facts that were stated by Nova or Xman. Part of the ceiling gave way. See more ideas about mace windu, star wars, mace. The Force moved Mace's hands faster than thought. Dueling Dooku as an equal would honestly be better than anything Vader has shown - so... eh. 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